Don't forget the Doctor's wife

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Hmm. If Randy "just wanted to honor MLK" and was going to delete posts that in his opinion did something else, why didn't he just turn off the comments to that post?

I guess it really is his blog and he does have the right to delete the whole thing if he wants, but....it's rather self defeating.


It's too bad he felt the need to delete your comment. Your post seems fitting for MLK day to me. As Lauri said, why turn on comments if you are going to delete those you don't like.
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You gotta love irony, hmm? I mean, when an obvious hater "honors" a man who stood for the complete antithesis of hatred, what can you do but laugh at the stupidity of it all?

And I love his obfuscating right-wing rhetoric: "...how the gay identified community is hijacking civil rights language..."

What the hell is that? It makes no sense! By demanding civil rights, gays are "hijacking" the language of freedom? The sophomoric terrorism reference aside, that has to be one of the most obtuse and deliberately antagonistic statements I've seen in a while, especially considering he said it to a gay man.

Some people have no class, Myke. It's standard for a hater. I quote Neal Peart: "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand."
Hmm, it appears VOX cut-and-pasted the font color of the quoted text along with everything else. Sorry. Didn't see that coming.
Myke, are you saying that you simply said in your comment that anyone could check out your blog for the post on Mrs. King, and this guy called it "getting into a heated debate"?


Yeah. No debate from me. I was completely in agreement. I just thought he and his wife were a good team.
[this is very sad] I am confused. Is Randy a gay man who objects to honoring Coretta Scott King on MLK Day because she mistakenly (!!) defined (hijacked?) MLK's message of equality as one that includes gay rights? My mind is boggled. How self-hating would someone have to be? This makes me very sad!

He is the head of Exodus, an ex-gay movement. He is "formerly gay" and helps convert kids to heterosexuality so their parents don't go to hell. Or that is the plan I guess. He believes that gay people are doing everything they can to hijack human and civil rights I guess. Probably because we are neither human nor civil. My only point was that she is continuing to carry his message because she knew what it was. She also carried that message since 1953 and MLK died in 1964 so she did it for quite a bit longer than the good Doctor did. The message was the same however.
I understand perfectly what you were saying in your post, Myke. You are always very clear! I was just stunned and confused by this fella's objection. Thanks for explaining where he is coming from, it makes more sense now. Still crazy as a rat in a coffee can though.
urgh, I am torn--part of me really wants to check out this guy's coffee-can blog and experience firsthand how the lunatic half lives and thinks...but I am not sure my blood pressure can take it. A "formerly gay" person wandering free in the streets trying to evangelize young gays straight! God help us!
Please don't share this with Indy. Children are impressionable and we want a clear headed Bunny.
There is no way I would visit this guy's blog. I have said it in private and now I will say it in public, this guy appears to me to be a bipolar religious fanatic.

I have seen these Exodus guys come into my parents' church to try to "save" homosexuals who have "gone astray".

This is no different than the "purity rituals" See brownamazon's blog where fathers force their daughters to sign documents stating that they will stay "pure" until marriage, or go to hell.

It's quite simply a misinterpretation of God's "word" for personal gain, for gaining power over another person, for the manipulation of other people. It makes me sick.

As IslandGirl said, you are always very clear at expressing yourself, Myke. I wouldn't pay this guy much heed.
I call bullshit. If he didn't want to engage in a heated debate, then he doesn't have to respond. It's censorship plain and simple, and beyond hypocrisy.

I also call dumbass. Hijiacking the civil rights movement indeed. I'm not getting into it, because I haven't the words to express the sheer bafflement at such a statement...but...yeah. Dumbass.

If I could bitch slap him for you Myke, I totally would. I'm wondering if I can bitch slap him for me.
"It's quite simply a misinterpretation of God's "word" for personal gain, for gaining power over another person, for the manipulation of other people."

Amen, Sister Lauri!
Myke, you just say the word, and I will head over to Randy's blog and whup him with a big stick, just for fun. Better yet, maybe I'll send Indy over there to chew up his furniture. Don't worry about her impressionable nature, she's smart and tough and would totally kick this crazy man's (rat's) ass.
Lol, she so totally would!!!
Off topic Mo... I posted a few pics of the journals I bought. I know you are the paper lady.
Hey! A Biblical plague of Toothy Bunnies! Nah, Indy is too precious to waste her talents. She should go into the Lumberjack competition instead.
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It is disappointing that Randy choose to censor your comment and yet not surprising considering where he is coming from.

Thank you for giving me the heads up to read your post. I am impressed with all the information about Dr. King's wife. Thanks again for shareing
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Hey, me, too Myke! I did want to say that the info on Coretta Scott King was wonderful! She was an awesome lady, and continued on with his life of peace and love and added her own peace and love to his!
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Ditto. A moment of appreciative and respectful silence for Corette Scott King.
I'd love for Randy to show us one single Bible passage wherein Jesus says homosexuality is a sin. He can't, because Jesus never said it. See, because unlike Randy, Jesus loves everyone, accepts everyone. True Christianity is inclusive, not exclusive. One of the first and easiest-to-spot signs that someone is a wolf in sheep's clothing is when they preach exclusivity.

And by the way, his reasoning of not wanting to get into a heated debate on a post that was meant to honor MLK is insultingly transparent considering the "hijacking" comment he made in the previous sentence.

This guy's an intellectual midget.

Lauri, your "misinterpretation of God's word" comment is spot on. Well put, lady! ;)
*being silent*
"True Christianity is inclusive, not exclusive"...that is SO true, Kirk, and True Christianity is a lot more rare than Ugly Christianity. That seems to be everywhere!

"King said her husband supported the quest for equality by gays and reminded her critics that the 1963 March on Washington was organized by Bayard Rustin, an openly gay man."

That one sentence should have convinced him to let your comment stand. It isn't a statement of politics, it's a statement of fact.

I think the only thing heated here is the hot air he's blowing. It's too bad.

"That one sentence should have convinced him to let your comment stand. It isn't a statement of politics, it's a statement of fact."

You just gave me a thought, Aubrey...

Of course he's going to delete your comment, Myke, because he has no argument against it. What Aubrey says is exactly right: it's a statement of fact. Thus, the only direction any debate could possibly go would be against his side, and he certainly couldn't have that in his "homage". MLK was for gay rights while Randy is not. That, all by itself, makes his honoring of MLK a lie.


Refitting a popular phrase to fit the situation: When it comes to Randy's deletion of Myke's comment, What Would MLK Think?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

"I realllllly don't want to get into it on a post simply made to honor MLK."

And what if Dr. King decided he reeeeeally didn't want to get into it when threatened and put into jail in Birmingham? I bet you this Randy boy (doesn't qualify for "man" status) hasn't ever read King's letter from the Birmingham jail. Maybe you ought to recommend it to him, Myke, it might open up his eyes a little.
Wow! Didn't Tiffany Chow do a great job on the Nashville Cityscape! Also at all your responses. Thanks. She was quite a lady.
Yes! Excellent connection, Aubrey and Kirk!

The Nashville Cityscape IS great! :) And, I think I just saw Elvis ears on crankypant's blog! Yikes, gotta go see!
Yeah, awesome skyline there, Myke! Love it!
I feel the same way, IslandGirl! I am not sure I want to witness such a display of self-hatred and denial that must be that guy's life...but like a car crash, I want to rubberneck...

Thank you for posting the article about Coretta Scott King, Myke.
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Good heavens, y'all! A thought just popped into my head, yea, verily, at oh, around 2 am. (It's alright, I have to be to work by 5 am, anyway!)

This Randy dude was possibly not talking about you starting a heated debate, Myke. He may have been talking about his cronies! Can you imagine some of the comments he would have been receiving if a whole pile (literally) of his buddies followed your link and then got going on his blog about Mrs. King supporting gay rights? Hahaha. Basically he weenied out! Oh, well, that's just another way to look at it.

Let me end, (and get ready for work, bleh) with one of my favorite quotes of all time:


"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it
turns out that God hates all the same people you do. "-Anne Lamott, writer
(1954- )
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Like I said on your blog, Lauri, awesome quote. Gotta have bumper stickers made.
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How good I feel about all of you being out there in this big old world. I don't think any of you are gay ( maybe a little bi,lol ) and you all took the time to do the work of Martin and Coretta. That is how you honor a man on a day set aside just for that purpose. The quotes, the thoughts behind them and even the words of protection offered on my behalf... That is how you celebrate a civil rights leader's life. It seems that the Docotor's Dream is becoming "our" reality. How lucky I am to have you all as neighbors.
Lauri - that is so cool. Not that you will be exhausted today but that quote is a killer. Thanks for all the thoughtful insight and support.
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Thanks for posting this DB!!
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Much appreciation to you Myke. I've updated my post and linked Randy's kind words to you.

He's really losing it. Now he's upset with Pam Spaulding because he's not making six figures. Could it get any more bizarre?

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:o "hijacking civil rights language" - well, i guess not everyone deserves civil rights after all, by that twisted logic.

Thank you for sharing this, DB. As always, your post is very eloquent and thought-provoking.
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Fascinating reading...so he used to be a gay, but now he objects to the very idea of gay people wanting the same kind of freedoms other people have. (Raise your hand if you pegged the movie reference :o)
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whoa Myke thanks for letting me know. sorry I just now got to read this post, been busier than usual.
before commenting, I spent some time looking through Randy's public posts just to get an idea of what the man is about; I have been acquainted with Exodus International for awhile but wasn't aware of Randy.

I find it interesting how Randy is all sweetness, awareness, and rationality on his public posts but changes quite quickly when he thinks the exchange won't be seen by the public (witness his PM to you, cited at the top of this entry). I shudder to think what Randy's "private" and/or "friends and family" posts are like. lucky for me I won't find out. whew.
in re: "not get into heated debates about how the gay identified community is hijacking civil rights language." I dont' know what to say/do except laugh in disbelief. Myke, your merry band of commenters has already analyzed/deconstructed/tore a new hole into that.
I could mention, but I wont', that as the Membership Director for Exodus International, Randy has a phenomenal opportunity to recruit and convert right here in your blog, Myke ;) I hope you don't block Randy if he decides to stop by for a chat.

as a final thought, and a reminder to anyone who wants to exclude any "others" for whatever reason, from the table:
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" Martin Luther King, Jr.
Yay for the great MLK jr. post, mariser!

And, good thoughts!
I would love it if he did. I would love a heated debate like the one he believes I had with him. I really hope he does pop by. I would welcome anybody. I tried to let him know that when other people were being mean to him. I would encourage everybody to link to his blog and see what Exodus is all about from the link you added. The point wasn't to do any harm to him. It was just something that happened to me that was a little disturbing and I thought I should share it with you guys. I'm glad I did. It made MLK day a true civil rights day for me.
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i'm really late to all this... but i just have to say, yanno... it boggles my mind the things peopel perpetuate in the name of "honoring MLK" or in the name of their religion. boggles. my. mind.

(not only that, but they make no sense at all.)

I still love what Kirk said about Christianity being "inclusive" rather than "exclusive".

I sometimes imagine Jesus showing up and going "What the *&#*??? You guys did NOT listen to me!!!"
Yes, as Zola said "Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot."
How did I miss this before? Now everyone's said everything.

Anyhow, Myke, you rawk. I will be your fag-hag any time you might need one.
Hmmm... I should have figured you were only fishing for blog fodder. You could have asked me about this by responding to my message.

::: moving on :::
Oh and before I move on... I never did post your messages without your permission like you have done with mine.
If you're not prepared for your words to be read by others, you probably shouldn't have written them in the first place. You've got to be ready to be held accountable for everything you send over the internet, even if it's supposed to be "private".
Held "accountable?" Sorry but that is an excuse to not be courteous. I didn't pick a public fight and I extended the courtesy of not publicly demeaning someone who disagrees with me.

peace, but I am now moving on.
I didn't sense any demeaning tone in this post, just straight-up telling it like it was. So, feel free to move along then.
fishing for blog fodder. Say that three times fast. Or, just say it once and it still sounds funny. First of all, I don't blog. I Vox. When you asked me if you could post my letter I guess the assumption was that was a two way street. This post was to honor The Kings and as God is my witness, these fine folks have paid the best one I have ever witnessed by going through the process on the day set aside to honor the very principle. I did respond to your message and I also posted my response in big red letters and indicated I would as the opening to my post. I have also told everyone that if I heard from you and you were offended I would quickly edit your words out of my post. You are a very public person. I really didn't know much about you until recently. Other Voxers told me you were there. The very first time I ever wrote to you was genuine and in support of your right to speak freely. I have not silenced your voice. I guess because you are who you are and I am who I am that we are not both still people and can respect one another and actually have a constructive dialogue about our differences and enlist cool headed opinions from both sides? Every once in awhile somebody has to reach across the aisle. I gave it a shot but was really floored when you deleted my post and wrote a snarky note to me about things that never happened. I don't have time to hate you Randy. I can barely find the time to love myself.
OMG Myke I love the last two lines of your reply.
Myke, Randy chose to hit the "delete" button on your comment on his blog, and he has that right--his blog, his delete button. But then he went a step further and sent you a private message calling attention to what he had done, using very inflammatory, combative language. And you did not respond by driving over to his house to challenge him to a duel; instead you raised the issue here, on your own blog, for discussion in relation to the main point of your original post. I think you are perfectly entitled to take issue with Randy's words and actions on your own blog--especially since Randy had explicitly refused to converse with you on his. Your attitude has been consistently constructive throughout.
IslandGirl, you are so well spoken. Damn.

All I have to add is that Randy's "moving on", while an attempt to appear above it all, is really just a slick way to avoid explaining himself and to perpetuate his own flawed self-image as your spiritual and intellectual superior. He seems to be sincerely mislead.
Why Lifetime TV hasn't put "The Randy Thomas Story" into production, I dunno.

"...when a male co-worker showed special interest in me as a teen I was like putty in his hands. Routine touch soon led to sex, and by age nineteen I had been sexually abused by at least three other older men. I felt vulnerable and rejected, but stilI was drawn to their attraction with me... Today I am an ex-gay. No, wait...I don’t define myself anymore with a sexual identity. I’m just...Randy. Because I know that my homosexuality wasn’t really a sex issue...but a heart issue. And what once was broken as a child has now been made whole to the point I have hope one day for a wife, and children of my own."

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"When George W. Bush announces his push for a constitutional ban on gay marriage today, a group of right-wing leaders will be there to beam wholesomely in approval. Among them will be Alan Chambers and Randy Thomas of Exodus International, the umbrella group of the ex-gay movement."
Hahaha!
Hee!

Don't the "ex-gays" have a habit of falling in love with each other and leaving their wives and kids?
Once I figure out what "routine touch" is by a co-worker I may have to change jobs because I am pretty much not interested in any of that. Especially if it's going to turn me straight. The truth is that Randy grew up in Metro Nashville, the buckle of the bible belt. His parents threw him out at 19 and his entire life up until this point has been trying to win back the love of his own parents. I don't fault him for that. What lovely Christian parents they must be to throw their own child into the street.It happens to allot of ex-straights. I did not post that letter because I thought it too personal. If he is going to lie for political gain then I may share it. Just get a program and stick with it. I am confused how somebody who is straight has been able to go more than 14 years without sex but before he was 19 he had been sexually active with all kinds of men. Why has it taken so long for that undying urge to procreate to come to the forefront of his current life. The truth is that Kevin and I fought quite harshly when I contacted him. "Don't you know how many children have committed suicide because of that idiot"? I really didn't. I wrote anyway because "injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere". I am going to start looking for locals who knew him and perhaps go to his old neighborhood and ask the neighbors about him and his family. We'll talk to former co-workers, former classmates, and local gays that claim an acquiantance with him and get to the real heart of this. He really needs a closer look at himself to figure out how he will spend the rest of his life and his eternity. If somebody else knows his truth perhaps one day he will learn to accept the Randy that God created. Until then I just wish him the best. I also wish the many children being harmed by his politics a chance to just live and be left alone by these haters. He is in deep and I thought I saw a timid attempt to let somebody know that this was all just too much to handle anymore. I am even more convinced of this now. The very reason he deleted my post was to disassociate with any stable, happily gay, people. The last words I sent him were that Kevin and I are very lucky to have the acceptance of our own and each others families and that we were both lucky that nobody ever poisened God for us. I never heardback from him.

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